After leaving Amazon we had two choices. Go north to Columbus for Christmas, or head straight to Texas to get started gate guarding. After some discussion we decided to head north for a quick visit. Two main reasons for the decision. First, my brother’s son was three this year, and I really wanted to be with his family Christmas morning. Two years ago I had the opportunity to be with my sister’s son for his first Christmas and the opportunity to be with my brother was important to me. For me, Christmas with little kids can’t be beat, and it definitely didn’t disappoint.
The second reason was our furnace is still not working. The blower comes on, but it is not firing consistently. Even the few times we could get it to work, it would stop working after a while. So once again we were faced with when and where to get it fixed. We called the company in Columbus who “fixed” it the first time when we were there October and they are closed for the holidays, but open to walk-ins only on the 27th. Essentially we show up without an appointment and it’s first come/first serve. Since the warranty company will not pay for the same work twice, we felt we should at least try to get these folks to fix the problem, but based on past experience neither one of us is very hopeful.
(For anyone who is wondering why I didn’t just fix this myself, especially since I went to RV tech school, there’s a couple of reasons. First, the actual removal of the furnace is just ridiculous. In addition to the very hard to reach location, there are 6 duct hoses that need to be removed, as well as the gas line and the wiring. On one of our “repairs” to the furnace, the tech left all of the hoses disconnected, and it took me four hours to reattach them. If you’ve never done something before, there’s a learning curve. And I had to come out 4 times to reposition my body to to even that small thing. Second, the furnace sits on a wooden platform, which has to be disassembled to take out the furnace, while the furnace is supported with one hand. I honestly don’t think I have the forearm strength to do that. And finally, while I could definitely swap out a sail switch, or a limit switch, or a blower, or maybe even a gas valve, I have no way to test a control board. Add to that the fact that we have a warranty, and it just made sense to have a pro do it. Sadly, the pro experience is often not what it should be. – Lee)
We got into Columbus Friday evening and spent some time with family. Lee is helping his parents with a few projects and I went to lunch with my Mom and her family. Mom did sell her house by the way, and she bought a place near Myrtle Beach. My mom doesn’t mess around when she’s made a decision, and before we even got here she had moved out of her house, sent most of her stuff down with the movers, and on December 27th she is heading to her new oceanfront condo. Really excited for her, because she got exactly what she was looking for at a price she could afford. I spent Christmas morning with my brother and his two kids which was great, Christmas isn’t the same without little kids around, and then we hung out an extra day waiting for the RV Dealership to open after their holiday break.
When we go to my in-laws we park in front of their house, and stay in the house with them, which is usually not a problem if it is for a short stay. It’s rare that the weather gets this cold this quick in Columbus, so we rolled the dice and chose not to winterize the rig before traveling up. Winterizing is not a small project and since we were only going to be there a few days we definitely didn’t want to mess with that. So we hooked a small space heater up to a long extension cord, put it in the basement of the rig and that was enough to keep the temperatures above freezing. But the day after Christmas the temps plummeted and suddenly we were dealing with temps in the single digits and -6 windchill.
These rigs really aren’t meant to work in this kind of cold and although you can set them up and live in them in winter conditions (our friend Jim wrote a great post on how he got through a winter in Michigan), this is not something that can easily be done when your RV is on the street in front of someone’s house, especially when your furnace isn’t working. So we crossed our fingers and thankfully, got through the first cold night, but we knew if we stayed longer we would definitely be pushing our luck. So we packed everything up, said our goodbyes, and headed to the RV dealership about 20 minutes away with the very faint hope the issue could be found and solved in one day. (The space heater worked really well, it never got below about 40 in the “basement” and a lot of the heat worked it’s way up into the kitchen and bathroom, which never got below freezing either. – Lee)
Before I go any farther let me explain that last comment. We were talking to my father-in-law Denny about this and he was having a hard time understanding why we were so concerned and after we ran him through our history with getting work done on the rig he said he hadn’t read any of that in the blog. It occurred to me I have shied away from this particular issue, but Denny said “Let them have it” so here I am going to talk about this a bit. Please keep in mind, all experiences are different and I don’t speak for all RVers, but my thoughts are based both on our experiences, what I have personally witnessed happening to others, and anecdotal stories from our friends.
In my opinion, one of the worst parts of being a full time RVer is when you need repairs. First, it is my home, so while the work is being done I need to find someplace else to be. If the work strings over multiple days, I need to not only be gone during the day but also move my home every night or if I am lucky I get to stay in the bay or on the dealers lot. If I am lucky enough to have someplace else to stay, I have to pack up my stuff and hope I have everything I need since everything I own is in my house. Compare it to having major construction done on your house, where you can’t live there, or if you do stay you have to be gone at the crack of dawn since most service departments start working at 7am. Same thing. Yes, some service bays have nice waiting rooms, but you still need to buy food and find something to do while you wait.
Which takes me to the next problem. These are recreational vehicles and, in my opinion, the sense of urgency just isn’t the same as if you have a major home repair. Even if the repair shop is familiar with full time RVers and even if they tell you they can accommodate the fact that you live in the RV, in general these repairs aren’t quick. A couple of reasons for that. First and foremost these businesses are generally in the business of selling RV’s first, and fixing them second. Most have service bays to perform repairs on RV’s they sell and their money is made on supporting that customer base. As a person who bought their RV somewhere else, you get in line with the locals, and in my experience will get bumped by one of their local customers if something comes up. Most service centers also don’t stock a ton of parts. They will have some common ones, but anything complicated and you need to wait and depending on the problem you are experiencing you may not be able to move the rig independently until the work is done.
So let me run you through how this happens, and again this is based on both our own experience and many other people we know. You are going down the road and develop some kind of an issue that needs to be resolved. If you are lucky you can continue to travel until you find a service center that works with full time RVers. You know this by calling them, telling them you are traveling and living in your RV and ask how they handle this. They will either have answers on how they handle this or they won’t. You’ll know pretty quickly. If they don’t have answers and it is an emergency situation, you will just have to work with them to figure it out. Either way, the person you talk to on the phone is generally a service coordinator and regardless of what they say your experience may change when you arrive.
You arrive on site at the dealer and walk into the service area. The first question is, do we unhitch? Many dealers use their own vehicles to pull you into their bay, and once you unhitch (which takes a while), you go inside and wait. In my experience it takes at least an hour to even get you into a bay and that is if you are lucky. Even if you have an appointment, their bays are full, and it’s only until someone else’s work is done that a spot becomes available. Even if it’s pulled into the bay it doesn’t mean the work starts. Rarely are there enough techs to cover everything in the bay, so they work from a priority list. This is where the RV’s who were purchased locally come into play. Even if you have an appointment and arrive on time, if someone who bought there comes in that morning, odds are they will be pushed to the top of the list. This I have seen personally on more than one occasion, especially at busy service centers.
At this point you have two choices. You can leave and find something to do, or you can wait in the waiting area. The problem with leaving is “out of sight out of mind”. Most people in that service bay have homes to go to, so they drop them off and pick them up when they are done. Their repairs can take weeks and unless they have a vacation or something coming up they may not care. We are different. We can’t wait weeks, but since we are the exception, we need to keep that fact right in front of the service folks. So we sit and wait. We talk to employees. We ask for status updates on our rig. It helps, especially in the smaller service centers, but it isn’t perfect. And it isn’t perfect because of the knowledge levels of the technicians.
Most basic problems we handle ourselves. The only time we would go to a service center if something major is wrong and that means we need a senior tech. In my experience, most service centers only have a couple of those, so not only are you waiting your turn for a tech, but you are waiting for a senior tech. Despite having called and given details on the problem he is rarely assigned to the rig. So here is how it goes. You arrive and wait to get it pulled into the bay. A junior tech works on the problem for a while. He diagnoses the simple thing, which you know isn’t it because you have already looked at that. Right before lunch time they finally call in a senior tech. The senior tech doesn’t trust what the junior tech did, so he starts the diagnosis all over. He’s much faster though and eventually determines the problem. At this point they go see if they have the part. If you are really lucky it’s in stock, but even if they do have it, the senior tech can’t necessarily fix it that day because he has to finish the job he was pulled from when they called him to look on your rig. If they don’t have the part it generally takes a couple of days to get in, even if you are willing to pay extra.
Now you have to figure out what to do for the night. Are they leaving it in the bay and you are staying in it or are they pulling it out and letting you stay on the lot? Or worst case, do they not allow either and you have to hitch up, go to a local campground, and come back when the part is in. And all of this is assuming, by the way, they figure out the problem the first day. At this point you might be thinking, what is the big deal? The idea that we are all footloose and fancy free and have nothing but time is a nice one, but for most people that is actually rarely the case. We have people we are supposed to see, campground reservations to change, weather related issues, or work commitments we need to meet. So we have to choose. Do we kick the can down the road and live with the issue, or do we change our schedule and get the work done? Either way, it’s rough to have your plans turned completely upside down and it’s stressful. In our case we tend to avoid stressful situations when we can, which is why we haven’t had a working furnace for over a year. We have tried on three occasions to get the problem fixed, and it hasn’t been.
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that. If they say they think they have fixed the problem, but it reoccurs, this can be a major issue. Not as big of a deal if you are still in the same area, but if you have moved on, which is likely, now you have to start all over. And our warranty company won’t pay for the same repair twice, so the second time it is on our dime. Yes, I suppose we could turn around and go back to the place that did the work originally, but that doesn’t always work with our travel schedule. Let me put it this way: Have you ever had a red light come on in your car and your service tech couldn’t figure out why? You take it back multiple times and they just can’t figure it out, or worse, it doesn’t happen in their shop…frustrating right? Now imagine the same thing was happening, except you have to take it to a new tech in a new city every time. Oh, and all your stuff is in your car and you can’t access it while they are working on it. And you are not sure where you are going to sleep that night because they keep your car and don’t have a loaner program. I know I am pushing the analogy here, but you get the point.
So taking all that into account, perhaps you can see why we weren’t hopeful when we pulled into the dealer at 9am. It started with their computers were down and they had to dig through files to find our hard copy paperwork. Then they had to “open a space in the bay” for our rig. That in itself is telling. 9am appointment, and they weren’t ready for us when we arrived. Hmmmm. The reason they did this quickly was because it was below freezing and there was no heat source in the RV. When the service manager told me not to worry and that it would take some time to freeze up, I countered with are you willing to accept responsibility if it does? That at least got us into the bay a lot faster? And to her credit, she assigned us a senior tech first. Since they had done the original work and I made it clear we were on our way out of town, she pushed me to the front of the line. That could have gone a different way, but I am grateful that she did.
Then Lee had to remove items from the basement. You can’t access the furnace without removing stuff, and since it was too cold to do that outside, he got to go into the bay. Initially they said they would do it, but he was having none of that. And once he was out there he just stayed. This, by the way, works really well. If you are standing there, you can watch what is happening and make sure they stay focused, but it is a little tricky. Many service centers won’t let you in the bay, but some will turn a blind eye if you don’t cause any issue or slow down the techs. So basically Lee stood there for two hours while they diagnosed the problem. (I just smiled at everyone a lot, and sort of strolled around the rig, looking harmless. Quite a few people looked like they were wondering why I was back there, but if I made eye contact for more than a few seconds I just turned around and looked intently at some part of the rig, and they wandered off. Path of least resistance, let someone else tell me I can’t be back there. I also lucked out because my tech was just a really nice guy and had lots of questions about full timing and wanted to tell me all about his awesome kids. I listened, and offered to hand him tools or just stay out of his way. I also asked lots of questions, without being a pain in the ass, because most people like to talk about what they are doing. And for anyone interested, here’s what it looks like when a person has to get to the furnace. – Lee)
They pulled out the furnace, put it on a bench and hooked it to a battery and a propane tank, and were able to immediately duplicate the problem. That was good.
Then multiple techs got involved trying to figure out what it was. They spent well over an hour fiddling with it. Finally the lead tech came out and told them to “stop screwing around playing detective” and just replace the easiest part and see if that worked. (I actually appreciated that they were being so thorough. I think the number one problem with these places is that they want to get people in, and get them out, and that often results in partial or misdiagnosed problems. And usually when someone is “tinkering” it means they are invested in what they are doing, and that’s how things get done well. The hardest part for me was staying out of it. Not my playground, not my swing set. – Lee) So they replaced the sail switch. Important point here. Two of three times we have had service on the furnace the last year they said the replaced the sail switch but we don’t know if that was actually done. The part didn’t look brand new.
(Here’s a picture of the inside of the blower cover. The sail switch sits in the path of the air, and as long as the blower is moving air at the right speed, it pushes the long metal piece (the “sail”) and that pushes down the teeny tiny black button that can barely see on the right side, just to the right of the “123P”. If it doesn’t work, the gas valve won’t open. This is a safety feature, and an important one, because without the blower moving air, the heat just builds up inside the furnace until it catches fire. Well, technically that’s not likely, because there’s also a high temperature limit switch, as an additional safety feature, but I wouldn’t risk bypassing any safety feature. – Lee)
The tech replaced it and then tested the furnace outside the rig for an over an hour and could not get it to fail. Then he put it back into the rig and again Lee and he tested it for an hour and it did not fail. During all of this, they gave me a loaner car, which was very nice, and I went out and got Lee some lunch. I sat in the waiting room, but he never left the rig.
We pulled out around 2pm and then we drove south until around 8pm trying to hit some warmer weather. Even with a working furnace, there are still concerns about freezing and even though we made it to Franklin, KY (just a couple of miles north of the TN border) it was still pretty cold. We used the furnace and a space heater under the rig, just to be safe, and I am glad we did because it was cold enough last night that the insulated and heated water spigots at the campground froze. So, no showers for us this morning, but we are headed for warmer climes. I know it’s only 45 degrees in many places, but I will take anything above freezing at this point. It is just a lot simpler. (We’re headed to the Corpus Christi area, but I’m not going to stop driving until it’s above freezing, I don’t care if we end up in Bahia Thetis. I’m not kidding. – Lee)
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